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| Tweet Topic Started: May 27 2011, 04:32 AM (8,009 Views) | |
| Perfect Frieza X | May 27 2011, 04:32 AM Post #1 |
 
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Who wins? Janemba > SS3 Goku, but Gohan > SS3 Goku too. |
 
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| lunar2 | May 27 2011, 04:36 AM Post #2 |
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anime continuity: janemba stomps. manga continuity: gohan stomps. edit: come to think of it, that particular breakdown applies to nearly every mid to high tier buu arc versus. Edited by lunar2, May 27 2011, 04:37 AM.
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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| Balthazor | May 27 2011, 04:43 AM Post #3 |
I'm damn serious
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Gohan destroys janemba |
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| Nusu | May 27 2011, 05:01 AM Post #4 |
Piccolo Daimao > Piccolo Jr.
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Gohan monster stomps Janemba, total spite. |
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May 27 2011, 05:48 AM Post #5 |
 
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gohan wins, he may not be as strong as ss3 goku in the movies but his power base alone lets him at least be able to fight and hurt janemba, hes stronger than kid buu anime. gogeta>ultimate gohan>=janemba>ss3 goku>kid buu I say this because gohans power base is fpss3, both of the fusions are way to strong for the enemies, but they are just above ss3. so it could be that ultimate potential gohan at fpss3 power could be strong enough to knock janemba around, but otherwise janemba only falls to a fusion character, in IMHO, gohan can take gotenks or ssj gotenks manga?, but i think gotenks base can smash janemba. But since gokus ss3 potential raised between movie 12 and 13 it goes gogeta>ss3 goku 13>ultimate potential gohan>=janemba>kid buu so i guess it depends on what goku you mean to compare gohan too, cause if goku in movie 13 is stronger thatn gohan than that means gohan hit his limit according to the anime. Meaning that ss3 goku movie 13 is the strongest ss3 pl character ever in Z. Going into gt then it depends on if you believe gohan even has the ultimate transformation which didnt show up until the end of the shadow dragon saga, or he is just an ssj2 which he keeps transforming into in the baby saga, not to mention that vegeta was thought of by baby to be the most dangerous besides goku, so it makes me doubt altogether if gohan even had that transformation in GT. Cause with it he was easily the biggest threat next to goku, not counting Uub. Edited by Paikuan extreme, May 27 2011, 05:56 AM.
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| + Ryebrid | May 27 2011, 08:49 AM Post #6 |
 
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Im not sure. In his fight with Goku he was playing the hell around with him, he never had a scratch on him and wasn't affected by anything. Unless you think SSJ3 Goku did hurt Janemba then so did SSJ2 Vegeta. I think it was made clear Goku was no threat to Janemba, Goku was marked all over and Janemba was just laughing. Still its hard to say |
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May 27 2011, 09:24 AM Post #7 |
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what are you confused about? i said it depends on what goku you use. its not specific on which goku it is. If its ultimate gohan from the manga he stomp, janemba had dimenson altering powers goku couldnt get around. Gotenks could take janemba easy. If this is movie 13 goku he smashes janemba, because ultimate gohan is stronger than movie 12 goku, who just fought majin buu. |
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| + Ryebrid | May 27 2011, 09:41 AM Post #8 |
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How do you know Gotenks could take Janemba? Janemba was dominating SSJ3 Goku. Yes Gotenks SSJ3 is a lot stronger than Goku and Gohan is even further ahead, but we dont know how strong Janemba is. He gets abused by Super Gogeta, and obviously Base Gogeta wasn't enough. It's hard to say because the gaps are big |
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| Balthazor | May 27 2011, 11:10 AM Post #9 |
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I'm damn serious
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I'd say janemba is just below SSJ3 Gotenks and super buu |
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| + Steve | May 27 2011, 04:15 PM Post #10 |
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I'd say Ultimate Gohan wins no matter what In the film with Janemba isn't it an alternate reality where Vegeta killed Buu? so it's safe to assume Goku is not as strong as he was at the end of the Buu Arc he wouldn't hae had any boosts from the fighting and would probably be exactly the same level he was at when he fought Fat Buu And in Wrath of the Dragon it's well after DBZ and Goku would have got stronger Plus it's not down to Goku's strength that he beats Hirudegarn it's because he's better at fighting and the big H was weakened (by a totaly stupid weakness..) so Goku won So Gohan totally wins, and again Janemba wasn't that much stronger than SSj3 Goku anyway and Gohan wouldnt have the problem of the energy drain |
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May 27 2011, 04:31 PM Post #11 |
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exactly, he doesnt have ss3 energy drain!! he can go all day!! and like i said, all of the fusions that came about were overkill for their enemies, but even though janemba is stronger than kid buu anime, no way is he stronger than buhan or buutenks. Thats why my belief gotenks can take him, especially super gotenks. NO, their potential for ss3 was wayyyyy higher than gokus in movie 12. Their ss3 form and gohans power is enough to mop up janemba, thats why the belief gogeta is weaker than vegeto, not just the fusion technique agaisnt the potarras, but also because goku and vegeta were stronger in the manga/anime than they were in movie 12. Thats also why i asked about goku movie 13, if you compared gohan and gotenks to that goku then its an even easier win, as movie 13 goku is haxed with the unstoppable dragon punch and an ss3 form so strong he can instantly transform. He also didnt seem to experience much power drain as the fight went on either. Edited by Paikuan extreme, May 27 2011, 04:45 PM.
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| lunar2 | May 27 2011, 06:04 PM Post #12 |
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it wasn't vegeta killing buu. it was either gotenks or gohan. ssj pre rosat gotenks, imo, because he only went ssj in the movie, and he would have gone ssj3 if he could, imo. movie 13 has nothing to do with this topic. goku at the end of the buu arc is the exact same power as goku from the beginning of the buu arc, he's just alive, which hurts his stamina. after the frieza arc, saiyans quit getting zenkais, and goku was never seriously injured during the buu arc anyway. goku in movie 12 is stated to be stronger than buu arc goku, but we don't know by how much. it can't be a huge amount, because goten and trunks are still drawn the same as the buu arc, so movie 12 would have to be less than a year after that, imo. anyway, manga continuity ultimate gohan is something like 100x as strong as ssj3 goku, while anime continuity ssj3 goku is multiple times as strong as gohan. so, depending on which continuity you follow, either gohan stomps or gohan gets stomped. |
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| + Ryebrid | May 28 2011, 12:33 AM Post #13 |
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Like i said, if you think SSJ3 Goku actually hurt Janemba then so did SSJ2 Vegeta. |
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May 28 2011, 12:46 AM Post #14 |
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theres no point in even saying that considering thats exactly what gogeta is, vegeta on top of goku in power levels. Its gokus ss3 with vegetas majin ss2 sealing of the top. thats why the cold beat down on janemba, but movie 12 goku is an untrained goku that didnt kill majin buu, he was still dead and goku killed buu while he was alive. Anime goku and movie 13 pulverize this goku, movie12 goku's ss3 potential isnt that high, thats why janemba beat him up, a ss2 power up gets added as a multiplier forthe fusion and boom, youve got an already born ssj gogeta. Who im more than sure didnt need to go ssj to defeat janemba, but the power up was probably so great a strain that the character had to go to ssj to hold it all in. Janemba eats kid buu but not by much. Anime goku is stronger than janemba. |
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| Saberoph | May 28 2011, 01:16 AM Post #15 |
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For one Goku isn't an untrained SS3 in Movie 13 because he already reached it before the Boo arc, for Goku to be untrained in SS3 he would've had to achieve SS3 between Boo arc and Movie 12. Second Goku could not have killed Boo, why because Goten and Trunks know Fusion, remember Goku wasn't going all out against Fat Boo because he wanted the younger generation to be the hero's from now on. Also the more effort someone uses on an already energy draining Transformation the more energy is burnt up going all out, remember Goku only had less then an hour iirc post SS3, and that was from not going all out from Goku's later statement saying he could have killed Fat Boo. The best explanation is that MSS Gotenks killed Fat Boo, and I'm guessing Gotenks just didn't burn out his time like in the cannon timeline and just went right after Boo. As for the topic, I agree with what's already been said. Going by the Manga Gohan stomps but going by the Anime Jamemba stomps. |
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